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The Great Debate
Trinity: Truth or Tragedy #2 5/26/06
Here is some feedback received.

Hi Dan,
 
First, I want to say that I am really sorry that we had to leave early.  It had been a really long afternoon.  We left Fuller at around 3:30pm and I just didn't think I could take the debate anymore.
 
And the reason why I couldn't take the debate anymore is not because of any theological issues but simply because I didn't think I was going to be able to keep from screaming at Ed Enochs.  The man was being so rude and so ridiculous that I wanted to stand up and say, "shut the hell up, Ed."  Problem is, I don't think that would have been a good solution.
 
Anyway, to put this in a nice light, I thought you did a brilliant job tonight.  I was SO impressed by the way you argued, by your use of Scripture, by your knowledge of Scripture, and by the way that you didn't let Ed's obviously demeaning posture phase you.  I am so impressed Dan!  Thank you for inviting us and allowing us to see where your passion is and what your theological stance on this issue is.
 
As for the issue itself, it's a dosey.  I'm not sure what I believe although I will admit that I probably have a more trinitarian way of viewing things.  But what I think is totally wrong that came from Ed's mouth is that our very salvation depends on our belief in the doctrine of the Trinity.  What a load of bull.  The truth that I believe is that Jesus died for us as sinners but He also died for us because we simply are limited beings who cannot understand or reach God in His glory.  Truth is, I don't know whether or not then if Jesus is God, but I believe He nows hold power and divine authority at the right hand of God and intercedes for us.  Whatever He did, I believe that He did it for me because I can't comprehend things like God or doctrine in a way that I need to in order to reach God myself.  Praise God for His grace! 
 
Anyway, thanks again and receive my commendation on behalf of all of the Greek family who went.  We think you won the debate hands down because of the way that you showed God's love and grace and were faithful to the gospel.  And also because you succeeded in your mission.  You got me thinking and I am not intending on deciding tonight about the Trinity, but I am intending on contemplating it on the next few years, so there's one person.
 
Okay, that's enough for tonight.  I will see you in Greek on Wednesday!  Great job again Dan!
 
In Christ our KING,

Diana
Pasadena, CA


Dan,

I listened to some more of the debate. 
This guy is really a "pin head,"   and I'm being kind.  Actually he represents    "your typical, arroragant, know it all, I'm right , you're wrong holier-than-thou, I have the Truth, and because I KNOW I DO, I know you are going to Hell!"  What a Pharisee!!      What a jerk!!   Sorry, Dan I know I'm in the flesh!   
 
I noted he encouraged you to  TURN back to the Christ of the Bible!   Talk about self-righteous!!. This guy is so full of it! Also his comment regarding  you having  a false Christ, a Christ that will take you to the eternity of hell!.  Well,
who  anointed him judge juror and executor!   Like so many Trinitarians.....does  he not  hear some of the things he
is saying?  The comment he expounded on regarding  the Son of God.......  "He who does not  believe  is condemned already because he do does not believe  in the name of  the  only begotten Son of God." !!!!!  What about the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON  of  God does he not get???
 
Also he noted, "What does your scriptures say about Jesus Christ?"   Well  for Starters our Bible,  doesn't say Jesus Christ is God!!!  It appears to me, he is so busy Playing God himself, he is blined to what the Holy Scriptures does say!
 
For one thing, among numerous verse my Bible, especially in Hebrews states:  During the days of Jesus life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him  from  death, and he  was heard because of his reverent submission.  Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and once made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek. 
 
I wonder what about this verse does   he not understand, but I'm sure he would find a way to distort it, and then condem you, me and all of us who  believe in Jesus Christ, the Messiah and only begotten Son of God.  He certainly did  the Trinitarian dance royally in that debate.    I was so disgusted!!!   He certainly must spend a lot of time trying to fit a round peg into a square hole!  Dan, I  really wish this type of  person (and there are many)  didn't  annoy  me so much, as I know Jesus wouldn't approve, but the truth is;  if they want to  believe, and convince themselves  Jesus Christ is God well so  be it, but how dare they condem us who believe otherwise.
 
Dan  it is okay with you  if  I quote     his arrogant condemnations (remarks)  he made to you  in my book ? Really they were meant for all of us who  believe in the humanity of Jesus Christ.  I will quote him work for word and there really isn't anything he can do about it.  What came out of his mouth, we now own!   Dan, it is exactly this type of  pious holier than-thou Christian  mindset I want to expose.  I also must add, all those who support him,and were applauding so heartedly, are obviously  pople who haven't spent a lot of time studying and researching the scriptures!   Dan, there would have been a time  he MIGHT have been able to get into my head, but NOW, the only way he could get into my brain would be with a ball bat.  Also I noted he misrepresented Anthony Buzzard.  Anthony NEVER intimated that Jesus was just a mere man, but the only begotten Son of God -  not God himself.  I am using a lot of Anthony's work which will speak for it's self, and  expose the   tactics  he (Enoch) and all Trinitarians embrace to push their  incredulous agenda.
  
Must go, and get some much needed shut-eye.  God bless and keep in touch.
 
Priscilla